, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Right.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Before James progresses—because we're always keen on clarity of law—I realise that procurement people are a very select, specialist group of people, and I'm sure they'll carve their way through this with no problem, but when you have that sort of mixture of…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Fine. Go on, Pred.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
No, no, I'm fine. It's goods connected to health services.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Okay. Thank you. James, take us on to issues around accessibility, or anything else you want.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, it's not necessary—your judgment is it's not necessary to have that on the face of the Bill.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Right. Okay. Right.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, I think Pred is pushing at: do you see that the statutory guidance will also form part, regardless of other discussions, of that consultation as well?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. I think we've heard that before; it's an in-principle statement of the position of Welsh Government. I'm not sure we can prise this open any further. It'd be interesting in practice as to whether this bites. Okay. Pred.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
It's a very lucid form of words you've just given me, but I asked you specifically in that instance that I referred to in terms of goods. So, if regulations in the Bill include objectives that breach the non-discrimination principle for goods, you are saying…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you for that. Minister, UKIMA doesn't bite on this Bill at all.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
That's fine. Okay, let me turn to the interaction of this or otherwise with the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020, something that we're constantly looking at on this committee now. Health services are excluded from that Act, but what is the position as…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Yes, okay.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
You didn't think it was necessary.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. That's interesting. You're asking them to help you shape that possible divergence that Alun was referring to there. Okay. That's interesting. Can I ask you why was the duty to consult with relevant authorities or other bodies during the development of…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Thank you, Alun. Okay. We'll carry on, then, on the issue of consultation for the moment. The explanatory memoranda says that a full, open 12-week consultation exercise will be undertaken during the development of the regs, so how are you going to do…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Okay. Alun.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Yes. Okay. James.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
No, no, indeed. Is it your anticipation that, as these things get bolted down, they will be sharing with you that definitive information, draft regulations and so on?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. That picture seems to suggest that you are having reasonable dialogue with your counterparts; it's just that things aren't bolted down totally, but you're seeing the shape evolving. This is not a shut door on you.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I wonder whether, Alun, it's worth inquiring whether there is any sharing of information, particularly things like draft regulations. Is that specifically—. Are we having that sort of level, or have they undertaken to share those with you, because that would…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Thank you. Alun, we'll come back to you. We're doing well, by the way; we're rattling through this.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Thanks. Sorry, James.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay, but in an ideal world, you would.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
And just say 'yes' or 'no'.
