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Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3 - previously considered
That brings us on to item No. 5, instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3 that we have previously considered. And the first of these is item 5.1, SL(6)118, the Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions)…
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Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
Thank you, Gareth. That's great. Are we content with that, with the reporting points? We are. Thank you very much.
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Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
Absolutely.
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Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
Thank you very much for that. I'm sure we're happy to note that. We go on, then, to item 4.3, SL(6)152, the Care and Support (Charging) and (Financial Assessment) (Wales) (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2022. These amend the Care and Support (Charging)…
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Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
Okay. Thank you, Gareth. So, we're awaiting the Welsh Government response. Are we happy to note those reporting points, colleagues? We are. Thank you very much. Gareth. Which brings us to item 4.2, SL(6)150, National Health Service (Charges to Overseas…
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Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
We then move to item No. 4, instruments that do raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under those Standing Orders, 21.2 or 21.3. The first of those is item 4.1, which is SL(6)148, the Education (Student Finance) (Miscellaneous Amendments) (Wales)…
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Instruments that raise no reporting issues under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
So, we'll move on now to our other items of business that we have in public session. We'll return to the Minister's evidence session and her officials in private session afterwards. If we can, first of all, turn to item No. 3, which, as normal, is instruments…
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Thank you. It's my end. It's my end it's going. Okay. Right, we'll try and continue, but perhaps, Gareth, you might have to let me know if things go down there.
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Thank you. Now, colleagues, bear with me. Just to repeat, I've got some problems happening here with my broadband on this end, so just in case I do disappear, hopefully Alun will be able to take over. Can I just check: can anybody hear me at the moment?
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Okay, that's brilliant. Colleagues, are there any burning questions that you want to address with the Minister? We've got lots more, Minister, that we wanted to ask, but there's no way we're going to get through it in the final minute. But anything in…
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Okay. Well, we might come back with some proposals around the use of superaffirmative as well, to give additional assurances, if this is the way that you're to proceed there. Just one final question from me, and it goes to some real detail. Dr Closs-Davies…
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Okay, thank you. Look, this is fascinating, and this might stem from a different interpretation that we have of what scrutiny looks like, but we'll explore this further, I'm sure, and beyond this one-hour session. I've only got a couple of other questions…
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Of course you would.
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Alun, thank you. Minister, it's interesting, Alun's line of questioning there, because we recognise that the Bill itself is narrow in terms of the way that we're looking at it now, but, on the wider context of scrutiny of finance and budgets coming forward in…
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Diolch, Rhys. Thank you very much. Minister, we note your willingness to engage with this and other committees and the suggestions that we might bring forward there. This is a very tricky area, but I think there might be some things that we can put forward…
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
But before he does, Rhys, we're going to hand to you to take us on, please.
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Thanks, Peter. Thank you very much. And, Minister, you're probably aware that Peter's going to pursue you across different committees now on these and other matters.
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Thanks for that. Peter, I'm going to come back to you, but we may be on two different playing fields here, trying to argue this. You're arguing about the ability of Welsh Government to respond, which I fully understand, and I get the rationale. What we're…
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Peter, sorry, before—. I know you want to carry on with this line of questioning. Can I just ask, Minister—? You simply can't amend a statutory instrument, so by the very fact of that, there are fewer opportunities for scrutiny, because you can't amend it.
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Thank you, Minister. That was very helpful indeed. Now, that was your starter-for-10 set of questions. We're going to go on to some more detailed questions now, and, Peter, you're going to lead us off.
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Thank you, Minister. Now, we're getting to some of the detail of how you're taking this Bill forward, but let me just ask you the obvious one: this Bill is an enabling Bill, so what's the rationale for bringing it forward now? Why do we need it now?
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
Okay, thank you very much for that. And the second one, which hopefully again will be relatively straightforward, is what assessments you've made in relation to the human rights impact of the Bill and what the outcome was of these assessments. Perhaps you…
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
That's lovely. Thank you, both, very much indeed for that introduction there. We're going to go straight into questions, Minister, and we have a lot to ask you. I should say at the outset that that probably means we're going to be writing to you as well after…
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Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill—evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government
So, we've got a busy afternoon in front of us. We're going to go to the first substantive item here, which is the Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify) Bill. We have an evidence session with the Minister for Finance and Local Government. Minister, you're very…
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Introductions, apologies and substitutions
Welcome to this virtual meeting of the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee. The meeting is being broadcast on Senedd.tv live, and as per normal we will publish the Record of Proceedings as usual. Now, aside from the usual procedural adaptations…
