11 October 2022 , Plenary
Debate on the General Principles of the Environmental Protection (Single-use Plastic Products) (Wales) Bill and Motion to agree the financial resolution in respect of the Environmental Protection (Single-use Plastic Products) (Wales) Bill
Diolch, Llywydd. Speaking in that capacity—although, can I just align myself with a lot of the comments made by the Chair of the other committee that I sit on? But also, Minister, I welcome the fact that you're bringing this forward. I think most people in…
11 October 2022 , Plenary
Business Statement and Announcement
Minister, back in 1913—I wasn't around then—when Maesteg Community Hospital first opened, it didn't have enough money to actually build it or run it, so the appeal went out, and the miners and their families in the Llynfi valley actually took weekly and…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting
This is our standard motion, 17.42, to resolve to exclude the public for the remainder of the meeting. Are we happy to do so? We are, and we'll move into private session, please.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Papers to note
That takes us on to item 6, the papers to note, and we've got a few here. Item 6.1: we have a letter from the Children, Young People and Education Committee seeking further information from the Minister for Education and the Welsh Language regarding the…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Inter-institutional Relations Agreement
Notifications and correspondence under the inter-institutional relations agreement. So, we've got three items, 5.1 to 5.3, all relating to correspondence from the Minister for Rural Affairs and North Wales, and the Trefnydd, notifying the committee that she…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
That's great, thank you. With those observations, we're happy to agree that. We are.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
There we are. Thank you for that. Are we content with those reporting points? Thank you very much. That brings us on to item 4.2, composite draft affirmative instrument SL(6)259, the Greenhouse Gas Emissions Trading Scheme (Amendment) (No. 3) Order 2022. Our…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
Item 4, instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3, and the first of these, item 4.1, is a made negative resolution instrument. It is SL(6)266, the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Instruments that raise no reporting issues under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
We're going to turn to item 3, instruments that raise no reporting issues under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3. The first of these is item 3.1. It's an affirmative resolution instrument, SL(6)262, the Regulated Services (Service Providers and Responsible…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Colleagues, we were up against time there, so can I suggest that what we will do is return to it in private session, look at what we've learned? I suspect there will be areas we'll have to write and follow-up on as well. But, for the moment, we can continue…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Permanent Secretary, it's been good having you here as well. Thank you for coming forward and together as well. Thank you.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
We are so looking forward to this coming forward on top of our existing workload. Can I thank you both very much indeed? This has been really helpful for the committee. We could have gone on a lot longer, but I know you've got to get back. We'll send you the…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
I think we understand that you're wrestling with this day by day there. Listen, we're going to run out of time, but, with apologies to colleagues, there's one question that I do want to ask. If I turn very briefly to the retained EU law revocation and reform…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
So, on the basis of this fascinating discussion, what is your balance of judgment when you decide between the resources that the Permanent Secretary can make available to you and to Cabinet Ministers on a particular piece of legislation that you decide we…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
But that's another argument.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Alun's point, really, though, is on the fundamentals of this, which Welsh Government in the previous, fifth Senedd was challenged on, and we stand by on this committee, that you can only do full scrutiny, the full weight of scrutiny, in this Senedd, in this…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
So, you may well have brought forward your own legislation here on that.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Counsel General, you raised a really interesting example there, and we could probably point to another dozen. The building and cladding regulations—was that a priority for Welsh Government? If it was a priority for Welsh Government, why wasn't it within the…
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Sorry, Alun, go ahead.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Not to worry. Rhys, 10 minutes.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Minister, Permanent Secretary, before I hand to Rhys to take us on, I'm going to ask you a question. I don't want to abuse the fact that we've got you here for an hour, but if we ran five minutes over, would you be okay, or do you need to rush?
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Counsel General.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Which is interesting for us as well that they're yet to be tested, and when that's going to happen. Alun.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
James, go on.
10 October 2022 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Scrutiny session with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution, and the Permanent Secretary to the Welsh Government
Thank you. James, go ahead.