, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session
Within those couple of meetings you've had with the Member, what's your understanding of what the actual intent is, whether it's an offer or a mandatory residential?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session
So, what you're pointing out there is the disparity between the wording of 'offer' and actually a compulsion.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session
Right. Okay. Can I just ask one interesting question here? To make the changes that the Member is seeking to make, whether you as a Minister want to support this or not, does it require primary legislation? Could it be done in a different way, either through…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session
And you've made that offer, I think, publicly on the floor as well.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session
Thank you, Minister. Now, this is something we're really interested in, as we follow these private Members' Bills here: what discussions have you had, or your team had, with the Member in charge during the development of this Bill?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session
That's great. Thank you very much. You're here with us in advance of having the Member who's bringing this legislation forward, so we'll be interested in your responses today. A straightforward one at the start, it's the one we always ask: do you consider…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session
We're going to go straight ahead then to our first substantive item today, which is item 2, the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill, evidence session with the Minister and his officials. We're delighted to have you with us here today, Jeremy Miles MS…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest
Welcome to this afternoon's meeting of the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee. We have apologies today from Sam Kurtz, a member of this committee, but we're delighted to have back with us James Evans as a substitute, and a very able substitute…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest
Good afternoon. Welcome to you all.
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Yes.
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Okay. It's a big risk, though.
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
So, if that's successful, you could well need to actually restore some of the budget lines on this?
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Okay, that's great. My second question, Minister, is: if I was sitting there, if Peredur was sitting there or Peter was when you were going through some really hard decisions and we look at areas where we think, 'Well, look, the take-up of that particular…
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Yes, work together, cut down the silos, agree what the priorities are, spend the money jointly. It may have been parked because of lots of things. COVID has happened in between as well, and it blew a lot of good plans. Anyway, let me go on to what I'm…
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Very much. Yes.
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Thank you. The reason I've raised that is—. Mike raises quite an interesting point. Even with pooled budgets, you still have tussles, but those tensions are resolved by democratically elected people plus the health authorities—this is always the…
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Fascinating. Okay. So, let me bring it right up to speed. Another thing that happened back in 2018, and it's interesting to this budget what's happened to that—. One of the ways to unwrap this blockage between budget silos of health and local authorities…
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Indeed. It would. It would.
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
And then they didn’t and they unravelled that and it went elsewhere.
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
So, we paused; we waited for the UK Government because we thought it was going to happen.
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Indeed, what you would do.
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
I've got the scars.
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Thanks, Chair. I want to come on to issues to do with gender budgeting. But before I do that, can I just come back to the point that Peter was raising about the interface between social care and health spending in particular? This is far from new. Back in…
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Yes. I think there is an alternative way forward, but it does, I suspect—. We're slightly limited at the moment. I think that this is the role of committees. Committees could look at it. Individual backbenchers on a committee, like myself on the climate…
, Finance Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Yes. Mike, I don't know if this will help with your line of questioning as well, but we were in the debate yesterday on apprenticeships, and it's something that we all feel very passionately about. One of the challenges in that debate was is there sufficient…
