, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
We will, we will. Thank you very much. Good. In which case, we will say goodbye to you, Minister, and your officials. We'll take a short 10-minute break, if that's okay, colleagues, while we reorder seats and so on within the committee room here. Diolch yn…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Listen, we've run out of time. Thank you very much, Minister, and your officials, as well, for their contribution here today. We have got some areas that we will write to you on quite promptly, to follow up on as well. Maybe some of the areas we've…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Right.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay, thanks. We're going to be defeated by time here, so we will have to write to you on some of the sections that we haven't got to. But this has been a very good and useful section. We're pretty much up against the buffers here. Can I just return briefly…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Right. Okay. Thank you. Alun, over to you.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
For a cast of thousands, we might suggest it would be the affirmative procedure. Sorry, I'm being flippant now.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you. If I can turn, then, just finally from my part here, to the power to enter land as part of examination, section 43. There's the phrase within that, 'a person, alone or with others', for the purpose of section 43. This issue that we've touched on…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Thank you very much. Gosh. You've made our day, Minister. That's fantastic. Thank you very much. In which case, let's go on to section 39(3) to do with examining applications, where there's a requirement on Welsh Ministers to publish a document setting…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thanks, Adam. I'm going to turn to section 38, and it's got a relevance to section 42 as well. Because your letter was helpful, but it's caused us now to seek some clarity. In your letter, you confirmed that there are two distinct regulation-making powers, in…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Apologies.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I wonder if we could check with another headset.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Have you lost it entirely, Minister? Have you lost the translation entirely?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
That's great. Thank you very much. Adam, back to you.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
But there is an issue also, in the same way that there is with Government, of Members having the capacity and the time. But what we should be affording them is the opportunity to be able to raise this should they want to or should they have stakeholders who…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I might anticipate what you're going to say: that very rarely do Members actually do it.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
And we wouldn't do it for the sake of it, I'm sure. But we'll have a look at these, and we might, in follow-up in writing, look at some of the individual examples and the justification as well.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. So, if we take it a stage further again there, because what we're always trying to guard against is, not necessarily you, Minister, but a future Minister, who decides in their wisdom, then, that this is appropriate—and it might not be for wholly…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you very much. Well, let's go a little bit further on this, because we understand that you and other Ministers often use the term 'futureproofing' to make sure that we've got that flexibility for that rapidly changing environment and so on, but we do…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Yes. No, no, I fully understand—fully understand. Okay. We will turn now, then, to James. James.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Then we could put that forward.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
I'm going to take us back into the deep detail of the legal and technical aspects, because we're straying into the morass of the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee territory here, and they're enjoying that very much, but we're going to…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Yes. And, who knows, we might face a consolidation Bill on planning at some point as well.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Diolch, Adam. Minister, before we pass to James for another line of questioning, I wonder if I could return to you, or perhaps to Mr Hemington, on this issue over the powers of entry to inspect land. You were at pains to explain that this is well established…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Infrastructure (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Fascinating. Let's not go there for a moment, but it is fascinating. So, Adam.
