, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Papers to note
There are three papers to note. Is there anything that any Member wants to raise in relation to any of them, or can we just agree to note them? Okay. Thank you very much.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Thank you. On that positive note, unless you've got anything further either you or Heledd wanted to add—. We've covered a great deal of ground linked to your annual report and the other important reports that you've published in the last year. So, thank you…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Excellent. I'll just pitch in as well on the back of that to say that surely the main problem in what you want to do in testing the UBI is that we don't control the tax and benefit system, and the UK Government, as yet, doesn't indicate it wants to do this…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Thanks. Ken Skates.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay. Thanks very much. We'll come back to that next month. Sarah, you're wanting to come up with the small subject of inequality in a future Wales.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Overall, just finally, it's a short but very pertinent report that you did with the New Economics Foundation. What has been the response from various stakeholders to date to that report?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Sophie, I think you want to be fairly brief on this, because obviously we're seeing you next month when we're doing our fuel poverty inquiry.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Sorry. Thank you. Jane.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Sioned, were you going to go on and just briefly ask about the retrofitting paper?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
We'll be having our own stab at this when we scrutinise the social partnership and public procurement Bill. So, thank you for all that information. I'd now like to call Sioned who wanted to ask the next question.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay. So, you've already undertaken a section 20 review into procurement, and you've got some very sharp things to say about that in your paper. What have you achieved or do you expect to achieve from the section 20 review of procurement?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay. Ultimately, this is the job of the First Minister and the Permanent Secretary, to knit together the activities of different departments. The First Minister is not known for his lack of grasp of the detail. Why do you think that we persist in having this…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay. So, is this the main driver, then, behind your proposed section 20 review, to really try and hack into the undergrowth of why we continue to expand on the alphabet soup, rather than reduce it to something that the public can understand?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
So, is it cowardice, exhaustion or just not wanting to—? You know, it's like poking a beehive or a hornet's nest.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay, thank you. Before I go on to ask you about the proposed section 20 review, I just want to throw in a question: we're a population of just over 3 million, how is it possible that we have this proliferation of organisations, when I remember, in the Public…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Go ahead.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay. Fine. Sioned. Sioned Williams, would you like to come in at this point?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay. Thank you for that frankness. Ken, would you like to pick up the conversation?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Heledd has answered the question very well. Is there anything you want to add to what Heledd just told us?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
All right. Heledd, is this an area that you'd be able to respond to?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay. Thank you very much. Obviously, all that's very interesting. We'll have to come back to that another day. I'd like to now welcome Sam Rowlands, who's substituting for Altaf Hussain. I was remiss earlier to say that we've received apologies from Altaf…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay. You could be directing resources from above, but that isn't going to get you the joined-up thinking and the collaborative working that is what we're hoping to see from the PSBs. Is there anything specifically, very briefly, that you think the Welsh…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Very good. I just wanted to ask you about public services boards. Obviously, they were one of the key organisations set up under the Act. I was looking at the list of organisations that have approached you for support, and I can see Wrexham and Powys; I…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Okay. Sarah Murphy, you wanted to come back in on this one.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Annual scrutiny of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
For 2020, yes.
