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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
—this idea that, unless they have more money, we can't ask them to do more? Given that one of their existing licence commitments is amount of spend outside of the M25, which is 35 per cent of their output, and, clearly, the amount of that in Wales has been…
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
Sorry, can I just ask Professor Lewis something with his last answer—
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
Okay. Thank you.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
So, last year aside, you're broadly content with the efforts they're making, are you?
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
You have the network spend figures, which have been flat for eight years.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
No, but, from the point of view of your union, you're content with the efforts they're making, are you?
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
You think that's sufficient, do you?
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
Well, their drastic measures, in terms of their evidence to us, were bringing commissioners on a day trip to Wales. Would you consider that a drastic measure?
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
Well, the producer of Mr Bates vs The Post Office has made very clear that he simply wouldn't be able to get that commission now. The cost of that simply wouldn't be justifiable, and, in an era of co-productions, it's a hugely different environment from just…
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
Sure, but the world's rapidly moving away from that, isn't it?
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
Yes, the platform. I don't look at a schedule, so I don't scroll through channels. And where, previously, you could make sure that S4C was fourth on the electronic programmes list, that doesn't exist anymore.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
Can I just test you on that? Because that works in a time when you're getting a signal from the transmitter. I don't have a signal coming into my house; I watch through a box of some description and I pick tiles. So, how do you get prominence of public…
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 2 - Evidence session with academics
Just to turn to ITV then, we were discussing with their executives earlier the challenge posed by YouTube in particular to their business model, and the fact that, now, so much of the audience is migrating to YouTube to watch what we used to think of as…
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
It's a massive challenge to public service broadcasting.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
And that's a massive challenge to your business model.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
And analytics.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
Are you putting any nations and regions content on YouTube?
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
This is about the business model.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
I'll just go back to your initial point about the stress your business model is under, and always has been under, and your relationship with the large platforms. I understand you have a partnership arrangement with YouTube. One thing we haven't reflected on…
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
I don't think you have.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
The question I asked was not about going beyond your licence commitment of a 35 per cent outside-of-London spend, but to spend more of that within Wales. It's a different point.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
With respect, you're not engaging my point at all, you're simply saying, 'We had a trip and that brought us some ideas.' My question is: should you not be more proactively curating a different level of content for Wales? And your answer is 'no'.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
Do you not have the role, as a creative curator, to make sure that you have a licence from Wales, that the audience from Wales is served, rather than just hoping that the market will come up with ideas that allow you to produce more?
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
With respect, what you've said is what you've always said, that is, 'We'll respond to the best ideas', as if they organically come from nowhere. There's a role you have to have to stimulate that.
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Public service broadcasting in Wales: Panel 1 - Evidence session with ITV
My question is: you're saying 'hopefully', and this shouldn't be left to chance, should it? You see, it's not Creative Wales's job, with respect, to make sure that you fulfil your licence obligations to represent all parts of the UK and to serve your…
