, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Diolch yn fawr iawn. Thank you. So, the committee will now break for 10 minutes. We will start again at 10:30, but we'll reconvene a few minutes before. Diolch yn fawr.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Okay, there we are. Can I thank you for joining us this morning, for sharing your report with us and your reflections on where we are and where we need to be, and what needs to be done between those two points? You will be given a copy of the draft transcript…
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Yes, quite. There's that as well. Okay, Jenny, last word to you.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Okay. Huw and Jenny, very briefly, then, because we are short of time now.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Okay.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Okay. Just maybe one final one from me then, because we are nearing the end of our allocated time. The conclusion you come to is that it's highly uncertain as to whether this is achievable or not, although in some of the stakeholder feedback that we've had…
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Okay. [Laughter.] Right. Okay. So, you haven't formed a view, then, have you? Or, at least, you're not saying 'no' or 'yes'.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Are we making best use of them, then, is the—?
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
No. [Laughter.]
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Okay. Just coming back to the collaboration point that we touched on earlier—and I get the need to collaborate around technologies and those kinds of things—are we making best use of the collaboration that already exists, or the structures such as the public…
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
There we are. Okay, diolch yn fawr. Delyth.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Did you want to come in on this, Huw, on the skills question?
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Okay. We'll come to Joyce, then, if that's okay.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
And I appreciate the work you did was a much wider focus, but, clearly, it's one example, isn't it, of the kind of thing—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Okay. Thank you, Huw. Jenny. And, just to say, then I've got Joyce and then Delyth as well. Jenny.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
More the stick than the carrot, then.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
There we are, and with 780 organisations in the public sector, I suppose you need to take that sort of wide focus. Yes, okay. Huw, and then we'll come to Jenny.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Yes, sure.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Sure. Okay. Lovely.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
No, and I would agree.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
There we are. Because the evidence we've received in the engagement that we've had with various organisations clearly see Government—. As you say, you look at the Government as part of the public sector in the way that you've approached this, but the…
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
I understand that, albeit a critical part of it, I'd imagine.
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Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Excellent, thank you so much for that. I know Members will be keen to pursue particular aspects. I just wanted to ask about your decision not to issue recommendations, as such. I mean, the five calls, I get. Were there not certain recommendations that maybe…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Decarbonising the public sector - briefing from the Auditor General for Wales
Okay, we'll move on to the second item, and as Members will know, the committee has agreed to undertake a short piece of work on decarbonising the public sector. This work follows the publication of Audit Wales's report, which raises questions about the…
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Introductions, apologies, substitutions, and declarations of interest
Good morning to you all, and welcome to this meeting of the Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee of Senedd Cymru. I'd like to welcome Members to the meeting. The meeting is being held in hybrid format, and aside from the adaptations…
