, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Yes.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Okay. Thank you. Right. Joyce.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
We do indeed. Great. Thank you. Huw, on this, and then we'll move on then. Joyce will take us on to—.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
And for monitoring as well, there's a practical challenge of mobile phone signals for some, because you can't—. I was involved in one case and there was no point putting a monitor on it, because it couldn't speak to anything. But, anyway, that's a whole…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
And, of course, those are the overflows that we know about, because there are others, aren't there, that obviously we don't?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
So, what are we doing to stop it happening in the first place, basically?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
And I know Jenny wants to pursue, maybe, a few questions on phosphate, but I'm just mindful we've moved on a little bit. I just wanted to offer Janet the opportunity to come back on the sewage stuff as well, before we then come back to phosphate.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Okay. Huw wants to come in on this specifically, and I'll come back to you, Janet, afterwards.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
And there's a wider discussion—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Yes. Sewage.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Okay. Thank you for that. So—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Okay, let's deal with the first point first then and then we'll come on to the other one. And there is a fair point—I mean, there may be perverse consequences to raising fees, which may actually work against some of your wider goals.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Yes, sure.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Okay. Thank you so much. There we are. Okay. Janet.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Okay. Joyce wants to come in on this as well, and then we'll come to Janet.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Fine.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Fine. Well, we'll wait and see, then, what comes of that. Thank you, Huw. Jenny.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Of course.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Yes. No, we haven't got that far yet, Janet. I'm slow here now. So, Huw is next. Sorry.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Yes, you're right. You're right.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Okay. Thank you, Joyce. Back to Janet then. Oh, I think we've—.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
And is that it, in essence, is it?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Yes. I tend to think that there are only three ways that you can close a gap, really. Either the Government gives you more money, or you do less, or they allow you to generate more of your own income, or probably a little bit of each.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Yes, okay. Thank you. Joyce.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
No. Well, it never is, but particularly now.