, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 9—think tanks and academics
It's all right; I'll continue in English. I just said it was a very fascinating session this afternoon. I've got two questions, briefly—I know we're against the clock. Pages 107 to 109 of the explanatory memorandum set out the Welsh Government's plans to…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 9—think tanks and academics
Thank you very much for an exceptionally interesting session.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 9—think tanks and academics
Thanks, Cadeirydd.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 9—think tanks and academics
Okay, thanks.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 9—think tanks and academics
Do you think that should be looked into and incorporated into the Bill, or let the social partnership council develop its own? Obviously, there's one statutory sub-group that's definitely there; are there others that should be there?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 9—think tanks and academics
Just to ask, in that cascade element—I think it's under section 9, where you've got the provision for creating sub-groups, and there's a sub-group for public procurement—where do you see that helping if there are any extra sub-groups that should be created in…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Thank you very much. Kirsty, anybody else to add? No. There we are. Thank you very much.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Thanks. I don’t know if Ruth wants to come in on that—no, you’re fine with that. It would be interesting to understand how that journey could be replicated across the sector, and maybe, Ruth, you’re in a better position to help share that best practice across…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Thank you very much. And, Kirsty, to you, in the draft Bill consultation response, you said that procurement must move from a process-driven approach to a purpose-driven one. To what extent do you believe that the procurement elements of this Bill will enable…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
I know you've touched on a lot of this before, Kirsty, but is there anything you wanted to add before I move on to the next section?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Tangible benefits and how you measure them, I suppose, are two parts of it. And then, is legislation the best way of doing it?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Thanks for that—a little segue into something else, so thank you for indulging me there. With regard to public procurement, then, to what extent are the proposals related to socially responsible public procurement likely to deliver tangible benefits? Is…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
—or Kirsty. Either/or—sorry, whoever wants to answer first. I think Kirsty started first—there we are.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Thanks, Cadeirydd. Just on that point, before I move on to another section, how good are your members or you at measuring your supply lines and looking further down the line to make sure that some of the aspects that Jenny mentioned, like procuring from a…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Thank you. Kirsty, I don't know if you've got anything to add to that. That's fine. That's me done for that section.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Okay. Thank you. And finally from me on this section, what support do the voluntary sector organisations need to help them to understand and implement the changes in the Bill? We've heard from different businesses, we've heard from different bodies, and some…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Ruth, is there anything you wanted to add to that, or can I move on to the next question? Yes, no problem.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Thank you. And following on a little bit from that, maybe to you, Kirsty, first, and then back to Ruth. Talking about the impacts, the financial and the resource impacts, of this Bill on the voluntary sector, do you think that's accurately reflected in the…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Just starting to look at the impact of the Bill on the voluntary sector, what impact do you think the Bill will have on the voluntary sector—and you've mentioned it earlier—as both an employer and a provider of public services? Do you think you will have…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 8—voluntary sector
Thank you very much for joining us this morning. It's lovely to see you both.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Diolch.
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Very, very briefly, with Liz, you talked about mapping out your supply chains across Wales and beyond. How advanced is that in other councils across Wales? Is it something that is easily replicated, and does it then help to—? If you understand your supply…
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Just one follow-up and then I'm done. Thanks, Jenny. How do you measure social value, then? How do you quantify that into the guidance and how do we track that over time?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Is that mirrored in your experience, Ed?
, Equality and Social Justice Committee
Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill: evidence session 7—procurement experts
Okay. So, from both your spheres, where you're working, what will be the cumulative impact to those involved in the procurement process of needing to implement some changes to the procurement resulting from this Bill and obviously the UK procurement Bill…
