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Welsh Government Draft Budget 2027-28 - Pre-budget scrutiny: Cabinet Minister for Finance
Welcome, everybody, back to our Finance Committee meeting here today. The next item on our agenda is item 6, which is the Welsh Government draft budget 2027-28—pre-budget scrutiny. We're really pleased to have Cabinet Minister for Finance with us here this…
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Motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix) to resolve to exclude the public from items 5 and 7
So, Members, we're going to move into item 4, which is a motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix) to resolve to exclude the public from items 5 and 7. Are Members content? Great, I can see that you are. Thank you.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Thank you so much, and thank you for all your time with us this morning; it's very much appreciated.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Yes. As the newish auditor general, what sort of plans will you want to present, sooner rather than later, to get those measures up to the place where you'd want them to be, and to continue to support institutions here in Wales to establish that trust?
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Diolch yn fawr iawn. The work of audit, generally, is so important and powerful in that trust issue, certainly at a time in public life and in institutions where the risks are around trust and how organisations are perceived, so we value your work immensely…
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Okay, thank you. I'll bring Sera in to wrap things up. Sera.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
So, before we look forward a little bit—Chair's prerogative—a few more little questions. I'm interested, on the KPIs, there's a particular KPI around social media, which is an interesting thought, and you measure trying to achieve a certain amount of…
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Diolch yn fawr. Okay. Ben, we've got about 10 minutes and then we'll wrap things up.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Diolch yn fawr. Huw.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Huw, perhaps before we move on to something slightly different from your side. From a board perspective, Ian, I wonder how you get those assurances that the balance is about right between temporary staff to deal with peaks and troughs and then permanent staff…
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Thank you. We'll have to move on, I think, because time's really flying here. I do apologise. I know, Huw, you had some questions as well.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Diolch yn fawr iawn. Thank you. Lyn, back to you.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Sera, I will come back to you, and then I will come back to you in a moment, Lyn, okay?
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
It's a slightly strange thing to be challenged on, because it's an underspend not an overspend, isn't it, so I appreciate that, but I guess when you're coming here looking for estimates for next year, it is about understanding how accurate those may or may…
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
The evidence seems to show that you are, doesn't it?
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Before we go any further on this, to be clear on this, the 3.2 per cent underspend, essentially, are you over-egging your estimates every year? In the previous financial year it was 3.2 per cent, this time 3.2 per cent—quite a way from the 2 per cent target…
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Thanks for that. Lyn, before you jump back in, Sera, do you want to pick up anything on this point here now?
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Okay, diolch yn fawr iawn. Thank you. Lyn.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
I wonder whether, Catherine, as the new auditor general, that's something you've reflected on at all, in terms of how you quantify some of those savings and report on those more transparently. 'Transparently' is the wrong word, sorry, but more readily…
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Yes.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Do you want to pick up a bit further, Huw, on that?
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Thank you. Great. Huw.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Yes, sure.
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Okay, thanks. Iain, do you want to come back on that?
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Audit Wales - Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2025-26 and the Annual Plan 2026-27: Evidence Session 1
Anything further at all? Diolch yn fawr. Iain, was there anything else that you wanted to bring up on the KPIs at all?