6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Right.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Before James progresses—because we're always keen on clarity of law—I realise that procurement people are a very select, specialist group of people, and I'm sure they'll carve their way through this with no problem, but when you have that sort of mixture of…
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Fine. Go on, Pred.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
No, no, I'm fine. It's goods connected to health services.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. Okay. Thank you. James, take us on to issues around accessibility, or anything else you want.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, it's not necessary—your judgment is it's not necessary to have that on the face of the Bill.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Right. Okay. Right.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, I think Pred is pushing at: do you see that the statutory guidance will also form part, regardless of other discussions, of that consultation as well?
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. I think we've heard that before; it's an in-principle statement of the position of Welsh Government. I'm not sure we can prise this open any further. It'd be interesting in practice as to whether this bites. Okay. Pred.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
It's a very lucid form of words you've just given me, but I asked you specifically in that instance that I referred to in terms of goods. So, if regulations in the Bill include objectives that breach the non-discrimination principle for goods, you are saying…
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Thank you for that. Minister, UKIMA doesn't bite on this Bill at all.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
That's fine. Okay, let me turn to the interaction of this or otherwise with the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020, something that we're constantly looking at on this committee now. Health services are excluded from that Act, but what is the position as…
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Yes, okay.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
You didn't think it was necessary.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. That's interesting. You're asking them to help you shape that possible divergence that Alun was referring to there. Okay. That's interesting. Can I ask you why was the duty to consult with relevant authorities or other bodies during the development of…
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. Thank you, Alun. Okay. We'll carry on, then, on the issue of consultation for the moment. The explanatory memoranda says that a full, open 12-week consultation exercise will be undertaken during the development of the regs, so how are you going to do…
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. Okay. Alun.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Yes. Okay. James.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
No, no, indeed. Is it your anticipation that, as these things get bolted down, they will be sharing with you that definitive information, draft regulations and so on?
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. That picture seems to suggest that you are having reasonable dialogue with your counterparts; it's just that things aren't bolted down totally, but you're seeing the shape evolving. This is not a shut door on you.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I wonder whether, Alun, it's worth inquiring whether there is any sharing of information, particularly things like draft regulations. Is that specifically—. Are we having that sort of level, or have they undertaken to share those with you, because that would…
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. Thank you. Alun, we'll come back to you. We're doing well, by the way; we're rattling through this.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. Thanks. Sorry, James.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay, but in an ideal world, you would.
6 Mawrth 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Bil Caffael y Gwasanaeth Iechyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
And just say 'yes' or 'no'.
