30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Well, it's a goal, which will require—hence the need for the Bill—a strategy to deliver against that. And if I hadn't have had food goals there, then I would be challenged, 'Well, how are you aiming to deliver that primary food goal if you haven't got the…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I think the primary food—. We mustn't argue there's a lot of focus, often, on the secondary goals. The secondary goals are there to deliver against the primary food goal, which you could argue is a strategy. It hasn't been defined in exact detail, but, 'The…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
The secondary food goals are fundamental component parts, because through their breakdown and their indication, they create the blocks that need to have targets put alongside them to achieve the overarching food goal. There are many different interpretations…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Absolutely.
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
As a designated Member for the co-operation agreement. So, Cefin joined us on the third occasion. Again, the Minister wanted to understand further, and this is where we referred a little bit to the proposal for a community food strategy. What we learnt at…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Yes.
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Yes, and then we had—
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
And Lesley was trying to understand a little bit more about what we were trying to do, but expressed her main sticking concerns were with the idea of a commission. That was a problem for her. I'm not sure if Cefin Campbell was in on that meeting, or was it…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
First of all, I'll start by saying I have nothing but compliments for the way the Commission wrapped a team around me as a backbencher to develop this, as you can see, and they've done a fantastic job. Engagement opportunities with the Minister for this have…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Could I bring Tyler in to supplement this?
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Thank you, Pered. Can I revert to Sam?
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I would certainly love to see a community food strategy, because there isn't one yet; it hasn't been developed. The Minister has made it clear at ETRA that she has £1.8 million put aside ready to implement it. However, with her limited capacity of staff, and…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Absolutely, yes. We're very clear that that is the case and obviously, the Llywydd has also made that recognition as well. So, we believe we're totally right.
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I'm sure that it won't be unheard of where a new set of regulations impact on existing legislation. There may need to be reflections in that legislation, via whatever process is necessary, to align them. But that's just the nature of the beast, isn't it?
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Can I bring Aled in on that?
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
No. I think it's trying to simplify and give purpose to the current framework, which is disjointed and inconsistent and not joined up. What we're trying to do, from my perspective, is actually to join that up. And another point was made in the Economy, Trade…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Well, you've obviously got the Agriculture Act 2020, you've got the sustainable farming scheme, which is coming in to align with that, you've got the environmental Bill, you've got the Social Partnership and Public Procurement (Wales) Bill, you've got various…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I would argue that this is relatively discrete. It gives so much power to other people in the legislature to shape it, but it creates a framework, which is sadly lacking at the moment.
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
No, but it would assume that if you're doing something very small that that's about matters where you're going to get—
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
With respect, pretty much, that's what we're putting forward, isn't it, with the addition of a commission, the overarching principle of a food strategy, designed by the Government, in consultation with the commission. That's a very straightforward, quite…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, where is there a current legislation or strategy or a joined-up approach across the Government that actually takes food from the ground to our children's mouths and into our health system and to address those societal issues linked with health and…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Absolutely. Absolutely it has a focus: to make sure that we actually have a joined-up approach in Wales to food security and how we use food. The reality is, you're talking about could we be specific about just food production. Now, food production is a big…
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
That's an interesting provocation, because I would argue that the legislation, as we put it, is relatively simple and it hasn't changed much. In fact, it's reduced slightly. We may have added things like—
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Keep voting, Alun.
30 Ionawr 2023 , Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Y Bil Bwyd (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Indeed. If I may, Chair, I met with the outgoing commissioner only last week at an event, and I talked about how we were progressing and she wishes this well. And I suggested there had been—. I said, 'A few have suggested that this is something your area…
