, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
That's great, thank you for that. Are we happy with that? We are, so we'll agree those reporting points. Thank you.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Instruments that raise issues to be reported to the Senedd under Standing Order 21.2 or 21.3
Croeso nôl. We're back in session of our committee this afternoon, having in our first part of the session taken evidence from Sir Wyn Williams and Rhian Davies-Rees, president of Welsh Tribunals and head of the Welsh Tribunals unit respectively. We had a…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
We'll take a very short break now, as we rearrange desks and so on and so forth, before we recommence in public again just in a few minutes, if that's okay. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
No, indeed. We wish you very, very well, and thank you very much. We'll send the transcript to you just to check for accuracy, and obviously we wish you well in everything you're doing as well. Diolch yn fawr iawn.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Indeed. Thank you very much, Sir Wyn, and thank you very much Rhian Davies-Rees for being here as well. I notice that, even though you haven't been on the record contributing, there have been some knowing nods. [Laughter.] There haven't been any grimaces or…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
There we are. Very good. Colleagues, is there anything else you'd like to raise with Sir Wyn? In which case, it just falls to me to thank you very much for the tenure that you've had, for your willingness to come in front of the committee and give evidence in…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
I led you down that path. My mistake.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
That’s really good to hear. Do you have any observations to make on that relationship with the Senedd, with this committee, and your relationship with the Counsel General and First Minister—and I'm not saying in a good or bad way, but just in an observational…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Very good. And how would you, as you come to a close, reflect on your engagement with the First Minister and with the Welsh Government? What would you say to your successor in terms of what you’ve learned from that? You can be very diplomatic now, or, as it's…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Well, indeed, yes. But you never know. They keep on bringing us out of retirement; you know what happens here. [Laughter.] But are there any other lessons? 'Lessons’ is the wrong word. Are there any other suggestions that you’d like to make to your successor…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Heledd, thank you very much for that. Maybe I can take that on. We’re coming to the last few minutes now of what is probably the last evidence session we take with you on your annual—
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Heledd, you carry on there. We'll jump in if we need to, but you carry on.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Very good. Thank you. Heledd, you've been very patient, but we're coming to you now. Over to you.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Brilliant. Thank you. James is going to take us on into another area. We're all going to be working longer now, and sometimes we'll be coming back in the twilight of our careers to add our expertise.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Okay.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Right.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Yes. Looking forward a few years.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
I just wonder if you could expand on, 'So, how do you resolve that?' What would—?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Thank you, James. Alun, do you want to take us on to the area of appointments and skills and so on?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Yes, indeed.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
James is going to take us a little bit deeper.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Yes. Okay, very good. Alun, did you want to come in on this, and then I'll go to James?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Okay. That's really interesting. Can I draw you to the effect of creating an appeal tribunal, on the very basic principle of access to justice? What do you think it will deliver for the people of Wales?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Indeed.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
President of Welsh Tribunals: Annual Report 2021-22
Okay. Yes, indeed, James.
