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Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you for that. That's very useful. So, how did you arrive at eliminating profit, because that's the—? Having looked at all that dysfunction, all of that—and I take on board what you're saying there—eliminating profit, how did you get to that? How do you…
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
And thanks for making time to come and meet us. We've now been joined by Rhianon Passmore as well. Croeso, Rhianon. We've got quite a lot of ground to cover, so I'd like start. Obviously, there will be a transcript for you after the session to check for…
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Fantastic. Thank you very much. Well, croeso this morning.
, Finance Committee
Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Croeso nôl—welcome back. We'll now go to our fourth item. We've had a change of Ministers, so we have the Minister for Social Care here. Dawn, would you like to introduce yourself and your officials for me, please?
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Diolch.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Or stalled—yes, it's stalled. There we are. Thank you so much for your time this morning. We've got a few other questions, but we will write to you with those, but we've covered an awful lot of ground this morning, and appreciate your time in engaging with…
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Using that analogy, it's crashed about halfway through, hasn't it, so hopefully we'll get it back on the track.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
It's proving the mechanism.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
So, it being a Labour policy, there's a good chance it'll happen in the next year or so.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Thank you. I've got one final—. We've just ticked over half past. I've got time for one more question and then we'll probably write to you with some others. So, I hope you'll indulge me for a second. You mentioned in your written evidence that your experience…
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Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
It circumvents this committee as well in the scrutiny we do.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
What would be the difference between what is set currently? Have you calculated what it should be if it had gone up in line with inflation?
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Thank you. Sorry, Peter, I'll bring you in now.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
But it's still underpinned by goodwill, rather than by any rules base.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
And that means a buy-in from all parties that that person or organization is—and binding on all sides, then, whatever that decision is.
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Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
—or an auditor, or whoever it might be?
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Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Would that be a King's Counsel or a judge, or the Office for Budget Responsibility—
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Is that at official level, then?
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Before I bring Peter in, just because you've touched on disputes and that element, FISC does have a way of trying to resolve disputes—has that been engaged with at all in these discussions around HS2 and other aspects that you've been laying out just then? Is…
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Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
So, changing the goalposts all of the time means that you can't plan.
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Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
So, there's no easy mechanism for you to be able to challenge that. I'm sure you're working—. You said it was a challenge and it took a long time.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Of course. But once you've had time to digest it.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Just going back to the fiscal event day, when you get those tables, is there any challenge involved in that, as in, you go, 'I don't think you've got that right'? Or is it, 'This is it' and there's no pushback whatsoever?
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
But it's your intention, if it comes sooner, that we'd have those budgets sooner.
, Finance Committee
Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 8
Could we have your commitment that, if the budget is sooner than you expected it to be, you'd bring forward your budget so that we'd have that time to scrutinise? Because that's something that we're always discussing. It's just making sure that we're on the…