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Sorry, Peter. In those closed-door meetings, if you like, in your instinct, is that based on those people going into the room already having a relationship, or is it that—? What's the dynamic there? Why do they work?
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Fiscal Inter-governmental Relations: Evidence session 7
Peter.
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Right, okay. Thank you for that.
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—and it's reviewed then periodically.
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So, it's multi-year, at three or five years—
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Multi-year, because, otherwise, you're constantly doing bureaucracy, basically, rather than actually getting on with what you need to be doing.
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And—sorry, Mike—in those systems, is it on an annual basis, or do they do them on a—?
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How do they resolve it?
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It's relationship building as well, so you can put things in the rules, but you can also build relationships. I think it was the Cabinet Secretary for finance in Scotland who was saying that building relationships with an ever-changing Chief Secretary to the…
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Would you suggest, potentially, either legislating or putting things in place to do that? Is that what you're saying?
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Peter, did you want to come in?
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Diolch yn fawr. I'll bring Mike Hedges in—. Sorry, Peter, did you want to come in?
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Is the system rigged so that the Treasury always wins?
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Okay. So when it comes to FISC in particular—and obviously we were talking about the financial elements of that, and devolved funding in particular, and we'll come on to some of those things later with my colleagues—some of the evidence that we've received to…
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We've had some evidence to this committee when it comes to the FISC element—so the Finance: Interministerial Standing Committee—and that's based on good working relationships between ministers and officials, but it also has been hit with some change of…
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Going back to the initial question, with regard to the interplay between different Governments, and heads of Government in particular, is it beholden on the heads of Governments to show an example of how it should happen? The fact that the Prime Minister and…
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There we are. Diolch yn fawr. Thank you very much. As you've probably been watching, we've had six sessions to date on inter-governmental relations. It's been fascinating to delve under the bonnet of some of this work. I'd like to start by looking at your…
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Okay, we'll move on to our substantive item this morning, then, which is the next and penultimate evidence session that we have on fiscal inter-governmental relations. We've got Ed Poole here with us. Ed, do you mind just introducing yourself and your role…
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Papers to note
There we are, thank you. Thank you very much. [Laughter.]
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Papers to note
Diolch. Thank you very much.
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Papers to note
Okay, we'll move on, then, to our second item, which is papers to note. We've got, I think, 11 papers to note. Are we happy to note those papers?
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Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest
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