3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
It tends to feed into budget setting and that aspect.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
All right. Okay. Fair enough. Thank you. I'll come to you now, Peter.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, is it an assumption, then, that that is the sort of peak, or is it still growing? These are the sort of questions, because, obviously, if it still grows, then your costs are going to grow.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Even if you just did a straight line and—
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
That doesn't compute somehow.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, just looking at the figures, from 2014 to 2023, children in care—. The figure in 2014 was 5,745; in 2023, 7,210, yet you've modelled on a constant.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I'll bring Rhianon back in now. Thank you.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
And we appreciate that things change and that they are complex, so the more detail, and as—. Mike's catchphrase in this committee is, 'Show your workings', so there we are.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
We'll come on to that in a minute. I wanted to bring Mike in and then come back to Rhianon. We cut across her and I want her to have half her questions as well.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. Peter, did you want to come in, or has that answered your question?
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I think it is, but I wanted to understand, and obviously, when you have two sets of figures that don't add up within one document, it gives—
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Sorry, yes, on both—I've added the two together.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Sorry, Rhianon. That's the best part of £80 million between the bottom and the top, so I'd rather not just write. I'd like to try and get an answer.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I'm going to go over to Rhianon. I think she's got some questions around some of the inconsistencies in the data that we've already had. Rhianon, over to you.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, Minister, you're happy that it's as accurate as it can be, given those complexities.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
We've looked a lot at the policy aspects during this, but this is the Finance Committee, so it would be remiss of us not to look at the finances. You've talked a lot about complexity of modelling and you've obviously come up with numbers. How confident are…
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Thank you. The RIA says that it attempts, and you've reiterated it there, 'to strike a balance between the level of detail, the effort required to capture new data, and the range of potential outcomes' and you explained that to us then. To what extent do you…
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I'd like to move on to talk about the financial implications of the Bill. The RIA states that the overall key guiding principle for the economic assessment is proportionality. What does this mean in practical terms and how has this been applied in calculating…
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Mike.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Having worked, before entering politics, for profit-making, shareholding organisations, and for a non-profit and a mutual organisation, I know the cultures are very different. By transitioning or closing down and starting again, do you risk moving the one…
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Going back to something you said earlier about the larger businesses potentially being highly leveraged, and you're talking about assets and assets might have large mortgages against them, and that element, by going down this path, what does that transition…
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Thank you. Peter.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. I know that Mike and Peter want to come in. I'll bring Mike in.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, it's a—
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, you're not eliminating profit; you're just reusing profit into reinvestment.
